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Post by nob on May 30, 2014 16:37:32 GMT
Nob I don't really know if you know how a protest vote works. If you vote for a party you don't really support to protest against them then when questioned say yes I'll back my normal party in the next election. What is the point in making a protest vote if the party you support doesn't think there is a possibility they'll lose voters. nob I'd take that 72.5% figure with a pinch of salt and even you know your taking things like this too seriously.  Who mentioned protest vote. I didn't.  Do you really think it was Peter and not a true reflection of how we feel. I went into town today, if I'd have closed my eyes I could have been in Warsaw its that bad now. I don't know if you have the same problem over there if you don't then you are lucky and really don't know WTF you are commenting on. |
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Post by petersmyth1 on May 30, 2014 18:17:35 GMT
Who mentioned protest vote. I didn't. Do you really think it was Peter and not a true reflection of how we feel. Yes nob I think it was mainly a protest vote and yes it was a true reflection of how a large minority of the electorate feel How many of them though will have the courage to vote UKIP when it comes to sending a candidate to Westminster. Nob it is too soon for Farage to form a government and even he knows that. Peeps will vote for the Parties they know and as yet few really knows UKIP and won't take the risk. Nob Farage has done his job without the UKIP ever having a seat in the Commons. He has changed or is going to change the way the political parties treat their electorate. They now know they will have to deal more with their grassroot members. Nob tell be you honestly believe the UKIP will be a force in Parliament after the 2020 G. election without laughing.  |
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Post by nob on May 30, 2014 18:37:31 GMT
Peter I think UKIP will have more seats than Cleggs bunch after the 2015 election never mind the 2020 one.
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Post by arch on May 30, 2014 18:43:22 GMT
Who mentioned protest vote. I didn't. Do you really think it was Peter and not a true reflection of how we feel. Yes nob I think it was mainly a protest vote and yes it was a true reflection of how a large minority of the electorate feel How many of them though will have the courage to vote UKIP when it comes to sending a candidate to Westminster. Nob it is too soon for Farage to form a government and even he knows that. Peeps will vote for the Parties they know and as yet few really knows UKIP and won't take the risk. Nob Farage has done his job without the UKIP ever having a seat in the Commons. He has changed or is going to change the way the political parties treat their electorate. They now know they will have to deal more with their grassroot members. Nob tell be you honestly believe the UKIP will be a force in Parliament after the 2020 G. election without laughing. Peter, do you actually believe what you write Question time last night, all guns were blazing for the UKIP guest but she held her ground well and like her and a few UKIP supporters in the audience, it's what the people choose on the day and Farage is the only one who thinks like everyday folk  |
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Post by Ratae on May 30, 2014 21:19:15 GMT
Actually Arch, last night the BBC must have been well pleased with how their attempt to rubbish UKIP on QT was going.
Well pleased that is, until that black guy in the audience spoke. He was a labour party supporter who had switched his vote to UKIP.In just a couple of minutes, he blew completely out of the water the the idea that UKIP was a nasty racist party, he made it clear that he agreed completely with UKIP policy on immigration, and also that the other two parties didn't have a policy to deal with it.
I'll admit, that black fella surprised me with his really well put comments.
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Post by jal on May 30, 2014 21:34:51 GMT
That's what's good about surprises they surprise you  |
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Post by petersmyth1 on May 30, 2014 21:47:55 GMT
he made it clear that he agreed completely with UKIP policy on immigration, and also that the other two parties didn't have a policy to deal with it. ratarse does the UKIP have a policy to deal with immigration? Of course it doesn't. Leaving the EU is not just a policy to deal with immigration it is a policy of changing our economic future. Do you disagree with that and if you do tell me why. Lets keep our place in the EU but change the EU and anyone who says that's impossible doesn't know the score. I'm sure we still have drinkers who never read the inside pages of newspapers or watch the BBC 24 hour News channel but yet they are still pigheaded enough to believe what was impossible 6 months ago still is. Come into the real world you sceptic drinkers and tell me why I'm wrong. |
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Post by Ratae on May 30, 2014 21:52:39 GMT
he made it clear that he agreed completely with UKIP policy on immigration, and also that the other two parties didn't have a policy to deal with it. ratarse does the UKIP have a policy to deal with immigration? Of course it doesn't. Leaving the EU is not just a policy to deal with immigration it is a policy of changing our economic future. Do you disagree with that and if you do tell me why. Lets keep our place in the EU but change the EU and anyone who says that's impossible doesn't know the score. I'm sure we still have drinkers who never read the inside pages of newspapers or watch the BBC 24 hour News channel but yet they are still pigheaded enough to believe what was impossible 6 months ago still is. Come into the real world you sceptic drinkers and tell me why I'm wrong. Because you are Smudger Smyth, and 'cos you're Oirish.  Fixed |
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Post by nob on May 30, 2014 22:27:52 GMT
he made it clear that he agreed completely with UKIP policy on immigration, and also that the other two parties didn't have a policy to deal with it. ratarse does the UKIP have a policy to deal with immigration? Of course it doesn't. Leaving the EU is not just a policy to deal with immigration it is a policy of changing our economic future. Do you disagree with that and if you do tell me why. Lets keep our place in the EU but change the EU and anyone who says that's impossible doesn't know the score. I'm sure we still have drinkers who never read the inside pages of newspapers or watch the BBC 24 hour News channel but yet they are still pigheaded enough to believe what was impossible 6 months ago still is. Come into the real world you sceptic drinkers and tell me why I'm wrong. Cos the EU won't let us change things and the only way is out, simples. |
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Post by petersmyth1 on May 31, 2014 8:11:21 GMT
Cos the EU won't let us change things and the only way is out, simples. nob there is nothing worse than an ignorant pessimist.  The EU is made up of member countries and if enough of the big players want it changed change will happen. Maybe not tomorrow nob but overwhelming public pressure on each nation's governments will have to bring change or else the breakup of the EU as we know it. nob do you think we are the only EU member country with a UKIP like party that is growing fast? nob change the EU, keep the good bits, there are plenty of those, but get shot of the bad bits. Nob you know it makes sense.  |
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Post by Ratae on May 31, 2014 8:39:47 GMT
Oh yes there is Smudger. There's people like you, who after being bitten several times by his dog, believes that the dog has now changed it's ways. It's the opposite of being an optimist. It's called being a dickhead. |
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Post by petersmyth1 on May 31, 2014 9:16:09 GMT
ratarse.  who has bitten me once let alone several times? I don't like the hold the EU has on the UK but it has never bitten me in person. |
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Post by uncleub on May 31, 2014 10:51:32 GMT
Leave EU = Close borders to mass migration = save ££££Billions.Then stop paying benefits to non British citizens.Any migrants then who want to stop have to be in employment or made to leave.Those that are employed have to work a minimum of x number of years(not 3 months as is the requirement at present)before they can claim benefits.
Put these measures in place an see how quickly they will start to leave.
As for trade,there are masses of non EU countries who are more than happy to trade with us(and do so at present).All this b*llox about we can't exist without the EU is just scaremongering by people who are milking the EU every day.....Think The Kinnocks as a prime example.
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Post by petersmyth1 on May 31, 2014 12:42:37 GMT
Leave EU = Close borders to mass migration = save ££££Billions.Then stop paying benefits to non British citizens.Any migrants then who want to stop have to be in employment or made to leave.Those that are employed have to work a minimum of x number of years(not 3 months as is the requirement at present)before they can claim benefits. Put these measures in place an see how quickly they will start to leave. As for trade,there are masses of non EU countries who are more than happy to trade with us(and do so at present).All this b*llox about we can't exist without the EU is just scaremongering by people who are milking the EU every day.....Think The Kinnocks as a prime example. Phil if only it was as easy as you make it sound. I somehow think you don't really understand the implications of "your" solution. |
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Post by Ratae on May 31, 2014 13:00:05 GMT
 To be fair..old Smudger does brighten up a cloudy day, 'cos he does make I larf. 
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Do you really think it was Peter and not a true reflection of how we feel. I went into town today, if I'd have closed my eyes I could have been in Warsaw its that bad now. I don't know if you have the same problem over there if you don't then you are lucky and really don't know WTF you are commenting on.
