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Post by toyboyroy on Aug 12, 2014 19:02:29 GMT
Where do infinity end?? We are here in our own little world called Earth surrounded by Planets called our Solar System. Now we have various countries building this huge space station so that we can travel further into the Universe more than we could ever do before. Probably outside our solar system there is another, for I have been taught that space goes on forever and there must be more planets than the ones we observe. So how far is Infinity and where do it end.?? At the end of infinity, what is there.?? Serious answers to serious questions please, ( so rats that leaves you out  ) Roy |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2014 20:55:57 GMT
OK Roy, here's my tenpennorth.
I have always, and still do believe that we are not the only inhabited planet in the Universe. With billions and billions of stars out there we now know that many have already been discovered to have planets orbiting them. Indeed some of these planets are in the so called habitable zone. Making it possible for them to support forms of life. Since the Kepler Space Telescope started to look for these 'exo-planets', over 1500 have already been found.
I firmly believe that sooner or later mankind will contact other intelligent beings somewhere in the Universe (but probably not Oirland). Maybe not for many years, or hundreds of years, but it will happen.
As the Hubble Space Telescope discovered that the Universe is still expanding, your question of infinity becomes more difficult. We used to be taught that the Universe was infinite but now know that is not the case, but simply continually expanding. You might ask 'expanding into what ?', because there must be something for it to expand into. But really it is just expanding, so infinity keeps moving.
Just typing this is beginning to make my head hurt !
Anyway, that's my view, for what it's worth. I'd love to hear others.
One of my photographic projects for the coming winter is to get some good shots of the Milky Way. When I go out to dark sky areas on a clear night, I just stand and stare, the more you look, the more you see. It really is a fascinating subject.
Thanks for starting this thread.
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Post by banjo on Aug 12, 2014 22:14:25 GMT
The really sobering thought is one of the phenomenal distances involved. Even a "local" galaxy is circa 4 light years away and that implies that "what's yours?" >>>"mine's a pint!" is going to take 8 years to do the round trip. Some of the wonders of the visible universe probably don't exist anymore, just the light arriving here that set off eons ago. Also, given that we can probably only aspire to travel at about 1/1000 of 1 per cent of light speed, we'd be looking at 800,000 years to pay them a visit and get back before closing time(?)
Given our propensity to squabble amongst ourselves, I reckon that this is in our favour because I don't think any form of civilisation cable of getting here would be paying us an altruistic visit... It does my head in as well Al.
The moon's a bit more within my grasp to contemplate. I did a grip and grin with Alan Bean recently- lovely fella. I was humbled thinking of that guy walking on our partner / satellite. We've had an impressive moon recently; if you have a good view of it through the clouds, give a little wink for Neil Armstrong. Try to imagine Neil piloting the LEM for those last few metres down onto the moon's surface...many of us drinkers lived through those heady times! Some idolise footballers, not me!
e&oe
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Post by Ratae on Aug 12, 2014 22:32:51 GMT
Where do infinity end?? We are here in our own little world called Earth surrounded by Planets called our Solar System. Now we have various countries building this huge space station so that we can travel further into the Universe more than we could ever do before. Probably outside our solar system there is another, for I have been taught that space goes on forever and there must be more planets than the ones we observe. So how far is Infinity and where do it end.?? At the end of infinity, what is there.?? Serious answers to serious questions please, ( so rats that leaves you out ) Roy  Well, let's see if i have this right! You seriously are trying to figure out what is at the end of something, that by your own definition, is 'endless' Righhhhhht...well good luck with that fellas! (Pssst..did Smudger put you up to this?) |
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Post by banjo on Aug 13, 2014 6:28:08 GMT
"So long, and thanks for all the fish..."
e&oe
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Post by toyboyroy on Aug 13, 2014 10:22:49 GMT
Where do infinity end?? We are here in our own little world called Earth surrounded by Planets called our Solar System. Now we have various countries building this huge space station so that we can travel further into the Universe more than we could ever do before. Probably outside our solar system there is another, for I have been taught that space goes on forever and there must be more planets than the ones we observe. So how far is Infinity and where do it end.?? At the end of infinity, what is there.?? Serious answers to serious questions please, ( so rats that leaves you out ) Roy Well, let's see if i have this right! You seriously are trying to figure out what is at the end of something, that by your own definition, is 'endless' Righhhhhht...well good luck with that fellas! (Pssst..did Smudger put you up to this?) Well at least I have a few of you thinking, and I appreciate the input and logic which have been applied. Oh` Ratae, Do you not think that `infinity` has to end somewhere. Perpetual motion never ends but infinity has a starting point therefore has to have an end  As Spock would say "it`s Logical" I`m of the same opinion of Allan that there has to be other form of life whether intelligent or not on planets somewhere. 650 million years ago ( and I still cannot see how they date rocks that far back, I mean what have they got to cross data it with) there was minimal life form, probably 1 cell microbes, we have evolved since then to what we are today. What will we become in another million years.?? How big will the Universe expand to?? Computers have a large part to play in our lives now and through them we have become more efficient therefore space travel is going to become more frequent and we be using it like we use Buses of today. So how far can we go?? Or will the Sun explode as its predicted and end civilisation as we know it.?? Roy |
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Post by Ratae on Aug 13, 2014 12:18:47 GMT
Dict.Def. ..... in·fin·i·ty
noun \in-ˈfi-nə-tē\
: the quality of having no limits or end : the quality of being infinite
: a space, amount, or period of time that has no limits or end
Oh Roy....no I don't, and more to the point, neither would Spock, him being a logical person. As for the rest of the stuff, like everyone else...I don't know the answers. However, just 'cos I don't know the answers to something, doesn't necessarily mean that there aren't any answers. Anyway, with questions such as this, I myself prefer to apply the principle known a 'Occum's Razor'....I've usually found that it makes my old head hurt less than the other stuff. 
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Post by banjo on Aug 13, 2014 12:20:32 GMT
"but infinity has a starting point therefore has to have an end"
It depends on the way that you look at things. We tend to look at things from our own perspective. For example, we end up anthropomorphising aliens.
Take a mobius strip and start walking along it (as an ant would for example) To the ant, it would appear as infinite because it would never come to an end. For us looking at the ant on his travels, we would say that he returns to where he started from.
Since distance is covered over time to give us an idea of velocity, and gravity warps space/time (and so by extension-distance) infinity ceases to be a length question because time has to be included in the equation. This leads on to added dimensions.
A pint, bag of crisps and a fistful of wet change please!
(A nod to the other Moore there- Ray, not Patrick)
'jo.
e&oe
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Post by Ratae on Aug 13, 2014 12:27:57 GMT
Errrrr yea! .............. Wot he said!   |
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Post by postman on Aug 13, 2014 12:57:38 GMT
at the same time Roy, the guys who tell us of big bangs and all the whizzy stuff is mostly to do peoples willingness to go along with it. its a lot to do with guessing and putting out stories of magical things and stuff that flies through us all  in that film, men in black our whole universe is in a droplet, sat on a leaf  who knows |
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Post by duyuthinkysaurus on Aug 13, 2014 13:04:56 GMT
"So long, and thanks for all the fish..." e&oe The answer is 42. So, the bit about infinity as I get it, there is no end. As for time, exactly what is it? |
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Post by arch on Aug 13, 2014 13:09:46 GMT
Never had an interest in space or infinity. Being brought up strict Presbyterian with a dislike for apartment stores, it is my belief that when we shuffle off these mortal coils our soul will join the great ecalator climb to a new life. But not as we know it.  |
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Post by jal on Aug 13, 2014 13:14:16 GMT
Time is somethig that comes and goes even quicker |
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Post by Ratae on Aug 13, 2014 13:15:05 GMT
Never had an interest in space or infinity. Being brought up strict Presbyterian with a dislike for apartment stores, it is my belief that when we shuffle off these mortal coils our soul will join the great ecalator climb to a new life. But not as we know it. Pfffft....don't even get me started on escalators!  |
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Post by Ratae on Aug 13, 2014 13:26:56 GMT
Well, I still suspect that the hokey cokey is what it's all about. |
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As Spock would say "it`s Logical"
