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Post by Ratae on Jun 1, 2014 16:27:05 GMT
Is it that the beeb have suddenly noticed that millions of license payers support UKIP, or has Marr suddenly decided that perhaps it's UKIP that are right about the EU and immigration, and that it's t'others that are wrong?  ratarse when will you and your croonies here realise the majority of the electorate including me and Posh Dave are not happy that the EU in Brussels is interfering in our domestic politics so we see the problem exactly the same as Farage sees it. Where the big difference is on how we fix it. Posh Dave and I think most of the anti Brussels supporters want to negotiate a new deal with the EU thus keeping all the advantages we have of being members and kicking out all the post Euro currency introduction laws that had to be made to protect that damn currency. If the Euro had never been produced the only thing we'd be complaining about would have been The European Court of Human Rights and if push came to shove the UK could delegate that Court to below our Supreme Court if things got really bad. It seems to make sense to try to fix the EU before abandoning it but abandon it we will if fixing it works out impossible. If your car broke down surely you would try to fix it before selling it as scrap. Sorry Smudger, I was reading your post, or rather trying to, when I fell asleep suffering from acute boredom. Then I woke up, looked at your post again, and I thought I was having a 'Groundhog Day' experience. I'm just off to lick a few windows!  |
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Post by arch on Jun 1, 2014 16:58:00 GMT
Another few thousands votes for UKIP, keep it up the people of Britain are united  tinyurl.com/llx53q6 Seriously though this fella is well fancied for future Labour leader.  |
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Post by petersmyth1 on Jun 1, 2014 22:41:32 GMT
Sorry Smudger, I was reading your post, or rather trying to, when I fell asleep suffering from acute boredom. Then I woke up, looked at your post again, and I thought I was having a 'Groundhog Day' experience. bestest friend I wish you had told me earlier about your eye problem. You appear to be one eyed. My posts remind you of having a "Groundhog Day" experience but the posts I reply to are original and have never been seen in this board before. How many more times am I going to have to ask certain drinkers who call Cameron a liar before one actually produces one of his lies? If this sounds like an instance of "Groundhog Day" blame certain drinkers not me. All they have to do is convince me Cameron told lies and I haven't got a leg to stand on. |
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Post by nob on Jun 2, 2014 8:03:05 GMT
How come he can bring the referendum forward if that ex pm of Luxemburg gets the top job one minute then his hands are tied until after the election. Just another of Cameron's lies. How's it a lie nob? Just point out what he said he'd do and what he didn't do provided it was/is possible for him to do it in the 1st place. At last someone is going to point out to me one of the many lies you all say Posh Dave makes. Peter you yourself said he cant hold a referendum because its a coalition. That's what he hides behind with excuses. But now he says he will bring the referendum forward if the guy he doesn't want in gets the job. So you tell me why he can do that one minute and then hide behind the coalition the next. Someones telling porkies him or you.  |
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Post by petersmyth1 on Jun 2, 2014 8:41:20 GMT
But now he says he will bring the referendum forward if the guy he doesn't want in gets the job. So you tell me why he can do that one minute and then hide behind the coalition the next. Someones telling porkies him or you. nob get realistic, when he says he will hold a referendum in 2018 this is said on the proviso that he is leading a Tory majority government and the same proviso is in place for bringing the the referendum forward from 2018. How the hell can anyone with an ounce of political awareness expect him to be able to do anything questionable concerning the EU when his coalition partners are the EU loving Lib/Dems? |
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Post by Ratae on Jun 2, 2014 8:54:26 GMT
As I've said several times, and Smudger chooses to ignore, all Posh has to do is sack Clegg and the other LibDems, then call the referendum immediately. So...as by law this is a fixed term parliament which doesn't end until next May, the only way that this parliament could end now, is with a vote of no confidence. That of course requires the LibDems to vote for extinction, and for labour to show their true pro EU colours. This of course ain't gonna happen, for the simple reason that it requires Smudger's hero to grow a pair. Apparently cojones don't grow very well on barren ground innit! However, I still expect that in a short time old Smudger back here, ranting about 'Can't do it' ....'Coalitions'.... 'Clegg won't allow' etc etc etc It's the way that my boy Smudger rolls innit. But the upside of all this, is that the longer Posh Dave goes on demonstrating his eunuch like qualities, the better it looks for my boy Nige who has a pair like a prize winning bull.  |
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Post by petersmyth1 on Jun 2, 2014 10:53:40 GMT
As I've said several times, and Smudger chooses to ignore, all Posh has to do is sack Clegg and the other LibDems, then call the referendum immediately. back here, ranting about 'Can't do it' ....'Coalitions'.... 'Clegg won't allow' etc etc etc OK so in principle you're right bestest friend,  but showing a lack of common sense. What Cameron does or does not do has got damn all to do with his testicles because his way of getting the UK out of Brussels rule is getting the rest of the major EU members to back him in rewriting the EU terms or membership and as each day goes by he seems to be attracting more continental support, I suppose that amount of support depends a lot on which newspaper you read, but if any support as well as France is there it shows unrest in the community and change is all the more likely. Given that situation why would Cameron want to call a referendum when there is a fair chance in the present circumstances the vote would be to withdraw while probably the majority of the electorate would rather we stayed in a revised Brussels free trade agreement but need assurance that it will happen. Cameron wants this but he acknowledges the EU as it now is is totally unsatisfactory, he doesn't know if it can be fixed but he wants to try. That is why he is promising a referendum in 2018, if in control, whether it is, in his opinion, fixed or not. If it is still Brussels parliament dominant EU I will vote to leave but if we get all the rights to make our own laws, enforce our own borders and control immigration then I would want to stay in the levy free trading association once called the Common Market. It'll be hard to rearrange but not, contrary to what some of our Farage bum caressing drinkers believe, impossible. |
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Post by arch on Jun 2, 2014 12:21:03 GMT
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Post by petersmyth1 on Jun 2, 2014 13:09:51 GMT
Arch you are wrong but I suppose the active words are could leave but anyway if the UK was going to leave it would need a vote to that effect in the Commons and with the present party make up of the House getting a EU leaving positive vote through the Commons is nigh impossible and Cameron knows that so it is could leave and not would leave. You lot say he can call a referendum without parliamentary consent but one damn thing is for sure. He can't take the UK out of the EU without parliamentary consent. |
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Post by Ratae on Jun 2, 2014 13:49:31 GMT
Y'see Smudger, the problem with common sense, is that it ain't that common.  In fact in old Oirland, it's a commodity that's extremely rare, as so perfectly demonstrated by your good self on this board!  Just saying like. |
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Post by arch on Jun 2, 2014 16:49:02 GMT
Arch you are wrong but I suppose the active words are could leave but anyway if the UK was going to leave it would need a vote to that effect in the Commons and with the present party make up of the House getting a EU leaving positive vote through the Commons is nigh impossible and Cameron knows that so it is could leave and not would leave. You lot say he can call a referendum without parliamentary consent but one damn thing is for sure. He can't take the UK out of the EU without parliamentary consent. Peter, you'd best have a word with the Frau, cos she's under the same assumption as most of the UK, ie, Posh is holding 4 Aces and if he don't get his way he's laying his cards on the EU table. tinyurl.com/nk9swq8 |
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Post by petersmyth1 on Jun 2, 2014 18:34:44 GMT
Arch he may or may not be laying his cards on the table but leaving the EU is not an option unless he can get it through the Commons and at the moment that is highly unlikely. So at the earliest we are there until after next years election and that seems unlikely to produce any majority party so we're stuck there until 2020 unless a majority Tory government is elected in 2015. Can any of you drinkers see any other "feasible" way of getting the EU out of our domestic affairs? |
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Post by nob on Jun 2, 2014 19:05:21 GMT
Arch he may or may not be laying his cards on the table but leaving the EU is not an option unless he can get it through the Commons and at the moment that is highly unlikely. So at the earliest we are there until after next years election and that seems unlikely to produce any majority party so we're stuck there until 2020 unless a majority Tory government is elected in 2015. Can any of you drinkers see any other "feasible" way of getting the EU out of our domestic affairs? Put it to the people give us a vote in or out. Simples. |
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Post by petersmyth1 on Jun 2, 2014 22:07:54 GMT
Put it to the people give us a vote in or out. Simples. nob doesn't work that way and you know it. Who is likely to have the power and the desire to call a referendum at this present time. There's nothing more I need to say, is there? |
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Post by Ratae on Jun 3, 2014 8:57:47 GMT
No there isn't. So please pay heed to your own observation............ and STFU.  |
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