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Post by nob on Oct 30, 2015 14:21:24 GMT
They have a 16 year old now with data theft from TT.
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Post by petersmyth1 on Oct 30, 2015 14:31:50 GMT
They have a 16 year old now with data theft from TT. I don't think they'll prosecute him because profit probably wasn't his aim. The challenge was his objective I think but anyway I now think his future looks rosy. What major IT company wouldn't pay a lot of money to have a high quality hacker on their security payroll?  |
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Post by nob on Oct 30, 2015 19:48:51 GMT
They have a 16 year old now with data theft from TT. I don't think they'll prosecute him because profit probably wasn't his aim. The challenge was his objective I think but anyway I now think his future looks rosy. What major IT company wouldn't pay a lot of money to have a high quality hacker on their security payroll? Still a crime bang him up.  |
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Post by banjo on Oct 30, 2015 23:11:41 GMT
They've nicked another teenaged scumbag for it a couple of miles away from me in West London. As nob says, incarceration is a compelling option.
e&oe...
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Post by petersmyth1 on Oct 31, 2015 0:20:43 GMT
They've nicked another teenaged scumbag for it a couple of miles away from me in West London. As nob says, incarceration is a compelling option.e&oe... Joe surely a "crime" is committed with a motive, profit, gain or revenge etc but reducing a web page's security system to zero is hardly a crime if it is done without a demand for payment. We need more "amateur" hackers working in tandem with web sites to make to make online involvement a safer experience. Nob and Joe are good hackers not better working online with companies to make their web pages safer or would you rather they were left alone to screw individual surfers out of their savings by using hacked webpages? |
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Post by nob on Oct 31, 2015 8:33:27 GMT
Peter for the anguish they have caused to people they want locking up.
Here's some of the update Joe,
We can now confirm that the following personal data were accessed:
• Less than 21,000 unique bank account numbers and sort codes.
• Less than 28,000 obscured credit and debit card details. As previously stated, the middle 6 digits had been removed and therefore are not usable for financial transactions e.g. 012345 xxxxxx 6789.
• Less than 15,000 dates of birth.
• Less than 1.2 million email addresses, names and phone numbers.
As we have previously confirmed, the credit and debit card details cannot be used for financial transactions. As an extra precaution, we have shared the affected bank details with the major UK banks so they can take their usual actions to protect accounts in the highly unlikely event that a criminal attempts to defraud them. We can also reassure you that no TalkTalk My Account passwords were accessed.
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Post by banjo on Oct 31, 2015 8:35:14 GMT
A "hacker" is a respectful term amongst fellow coders, somewhat like peer recognition. Breaking into a system for whatever motive is the work of a "cracker".
e&oe
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Post by banjo on Oct 31, 2015 10:04:26 GMT
Still not a peep out of TalkTalk here.
Why can't they be more efficient like that nice asian lady on the 'phone just this minute that already knew my name, land line number and address right down to the post code? She was trying to help me with a problem between my router and the server too. Bless her, so thoughtful.
Now whatever gloss you spin onto it, the bottom line is that this is stolen property. My property. My details. They should have remained mine. Not theirs. If these little sh1tz were so concerned about data security at TT, maybe they should have shared their concerns with the data protection czar. You see, it's not just the theft, it's the fact that you can't plug the security hole once breeched. Stuff's out in the wild. You're then a member of the "no looking back" club.
If your bank leaves it's vault unlocked, would you rob it anyway or would you tell a policeman?
This is not an example of harmless anarchy Peter, it's a form of vandalism- taking down a structure because you can see a suspicious cantilever in one corner. The better approach would have been to shore it up.
If I was a potential security company employer, I would view those individuals as mavericks that would just as likely rob me.
Yep, thanks for the vote of concilliation Peter. I'll file it under "B" for bin.
Peter, please save your devil's advocate bilge for when you get to the front of the queue in the supermarket and conduct extended conversations with hapless Saturday girls that you don't know from adam. Everyone behind will just love it and silently pontificate upon whether or not you have actually had any other human contact throughout the week. The reason I write this Peter is because it's in your blood to challenge just about everything, not because I want to fling insults at you on a whim. Being the collective conscience of the scrofulate hoi-poloi is pointless. (but it makes for a lively forum though!)
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Post by duyuthinkysaurus on Oct 31, 2015 10:36:07 GMT
I think though I am not sure that data theft has been criminalised.
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Post by Ratae on Oct 31, 2015 15:01:03 GMT
Hopefully, my bestest pal would call me and together we would rape it every which way from Sunday.  |
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Post by petersmyth1 on Oct 31, 2015 15:06:18 GMT
I think though I am not sure that data theft has been criminalised. Dinky for once I tend to think you're right,  Joking apart, drinkers I did not at any time say the the young lad had done nothing wrong and yes he broke the law. I think he was way in over his head and didn't at any time do it with malice in mind. I could be wrong but his subsequent reported actions and non existent demands don't paint a picture of a hacker with criminal intent. Did he steal any data? The TalkTalk security peeps know where he'd been but do they know if he copied any of the data? To me this was young kid with very good IT knowledge wrongly attempting to prove how good he is by breaking into a major IT company's data banks without thinking the whole thing through. He did wrong and should be "punished" but if the above scenario is right locking him up is going way over the top in my opinion. If my synopsis above is right the only real damage he has done is scare the s**i out of a few Talk Talk members but more importantly out of some Talk Talk big noises. |
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Post by duyuthinkysaurus on Oct 31, 2015 16:52:25 GMT
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Post by Ratae on Oct 31, 2015 18:30:03 GMT
 Which they should add, is what almost anyone who has written a cheque and is daft enough to answer a phone call that's supposedly from their bank, already is. 
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Post by banjo on Oct 31, 2015 18:41:47 GMT
I'd go along with Peter's synopsis, it's probably accurate. The trouble is people have a right not to be scared sh1tl3ss. If my dog rocks up the garden path and barks at a passer-by and he or she is of an egg-shell disposition, said person can dig heels in and persue the point and set things in motion to have my woofer destroyed (for a bark FFS). If you don't make some example of the individual(s), then you send out a message to other like minded have-a-go-eejits that it's all fine and dandy and we won't even slap your wrists because it contravenes your human rights. There is no light at the end of a youngster's tunnel and fair play to them- I'm envious- enjoy youth while you can, but every action has consequences of some sort. Go and hack some of Isil's squirreled away funds and do society some service why don'tcha?
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Post by Ratae on Oct 31, 2015 20:56:57 GMT
Fine speech Smudger, of course the fact that you don't have any shares in TT, unlike some retired old folk may have, makes it very easy to forgive the spotty little oik..........innit.
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Joking apart, drinkers I did not at any time say the the young lad had done nothing wrong and yes he broke the law. I think he was way in over his head and didn't at any time do it with malice in mind. I could be wrong but his subsequent reported actions and non existent demands don't paint a picture of a hacker with criminal intent.
