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Post by duyuthinkysaurus on Jul 2, 2012 18:04:34 GMT
He hasn't got the b*lls to give us a referendum because he knows what the outcome will be[/quote Very true
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Post by petersmyth1 on Jul 2, 2012 23:15:12 GMT
He hasn't got the b*lls to give us a referendum because he knows what the outcome will be[/quoteVery true Dinky this is where we differ. Even though you have recognised it earlier by saying we initially entered a Common Market which was good but then it all went wrong but you still want out of Europe. Cameron wants out of the European Community but not the Common Market but you don't support that idea. Why not?
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Post by duyuthinkysaurus on Jul 3, 2012 16:18:28 GMT
He hasn't got the b*lls to give us a referendum because he knows what the outcome will be[/quoteVery true Dinky this is where we differ. Even though you have recognised it earlier by saying we initially entered a Common Market which was good but then it all went wrong but you still want out of Europe. Cameron wants out of the European Community but not the Common Market but you don't support that idea. Why not? I have no problems with the "common market" which is what we originally entered. But I have MAJOR issues with the un-elected eurocracy that ALL parties have allowed us to be sucked into! If it comes to the question that we cannot revert to what we ORIGINALY signed up to a "comon market" then OUT would be the option.
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Post by petersmyth1 on Jul 3, 2012 22:51:34 GMT
I have no problems with the "common market" which is what we originally entered. But I have MAJOR issues with the un-elected eurocracy that ALL parties have allowed us to be sucked into! If it comes to the question that we cannot revert to what we ORIGINALY signed up to a "comon market" then OUT would be the option. Dinky why do I have to keep pointing out to you that is what Cameron wants. He wants the free trade but not the free intrusion into British domestic law making. Why is it so difficult for our mainly lefty membership to take this on board and accept that it is a better way forward than the UKIP's lets ditch Europe and all it's commercial advantages?
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Post by arch on Jul 4, 2012 8:16:03 GMT
that is what Cameron wants. Peter, 99.999999999999% of the UK know what yer man CampinPeter'sfield wants Balls R Us have opened a shop in Westminster
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Post by nob on Jul 5, 2012 9:26:08 GMT
Bit of a stink about those two Tornado aircraft crashing, the locals say the crews are worked none stop due to forces cuts. Fatigue could have played a part. Whatever it was a sad loss.
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Post by addie on Jul 5, 2012 12:25:59 GMT
I have no problems with the "common market" which is what we originally entered. But I have MAJOR issues with the un-elected eurocracy that ALL parties have allowed us to be sucked into! If it comes to the question that we cannot revert to what we ORIGINALY signed up to a "comon market" then OUT would be the option. Dinky why do I have to keep pointing out to you that is what Cameron wants. He wants the free trade but not the free intrusion into British domestic law making. Why is it so difficult for our mainly lefty membership to take this on board and accept that it is a better way forward than the UKIP's lets ditch Europe and all it's commercial advantages? " Europe and all it's commercial advantages?" I'm interested .......Please tell me what these advantages are which cost this country some £50 million a day!!
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Post by uncleub on Jul 5, 2012 12:31:43 GMT
All this crap about needing to be in the EU to be able to trade with member states is garbage.We managed ok before and we would manage ok again. There are a lot more countries outside the EU that would/do happily trade with us,and transporting goods today via air and sea is a lot quicker than it was 40 years ago.
Oh and as Addie has said,we will have £50 million a day head start.
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Post by petersmyth1 on Jul 6, 2012 0:19:35 GMT
Oh and as Addie has said,we will have £50 million a day head start. Phil that's crap and only UKIP say it. Find me another reputable online page to back it up and post the link,
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Post by arch on Jul 6, 2012 10:39:12 GMT
Peter, not just UKIP, every one I speak to in the street says the same. Peter, you can't honestly say that you don't agree with what Farage says tinyurl.com/ct7s44aNigel Farage: 'I challenge the Prime Minister to have an open debate with me on why he believes we must stay part of this failing, corrupt EU. The future of our nation is at stake. Mr Cameron, you have my phone number' A referendum promise in the next Tory election manifesto on any “new package” would leave us exactly where we are now, still governed by Brussels, still unable to make our own laws and still paying £50 million a day for the “privilege” of belonging to this undemocratic club.
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Post by addie on Jul 6, 2012 11:11:47 GMT
Peter.....How about an answer to my question? Tell us what these "commercial advantages " are? Frankly, IMO we are being shortchanged here. I say let's rid ourselves or this corrupt organisation (whose Accounts have not been signed off for over 14 years). Let us rebuild our manufacturing bases thereby creating jobs and boosting our exports.
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Post by uncleub on Jul 6, 2012 12:36:32 GMT
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Post by uncleub on Jul 6, 2012 12:40:36 GMT
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Post by Ratae on Jul 6, 2012 14:47:59 GMT
Sob
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Post by petersmyth1 on Jul 6, 2012 15:34:29 GMT
Phil we might contribute a lot of dosh but that is not a net figure because we get EU contributions that reduce the size of our subscription so that is why it does not work out over all at £50 million a day. Here is a sort of detailed cost analysis of what being in the EU is costing us and why he wants out. Checking his figures leaves our cost a long long way short of £50 million a day, www.ashleymote.co.uk/?p=3314
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