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Post by petersmyth1 on Jun 12, 2008 9:31:58 GMT
Hi Bob You've got me bang to rights here.  There's not a lot more I can say other than why does everybody with only 1 puter to connect not have their router by the BT socket? I'm still not 100% convinced but it's there in black and white staring me in the face  |
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Post by Bob on Jun 12, 2008 9:53:23 GMT
There's not a lot more I can say other than why does everybody with only 1 puter to connect not have their router by the BT socket? I can only presume Pierre will be putting the router by the BT socket downstairs and connecting his PC via the Netgear sockets upstairs. |
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Post by Ratae on Jun 12, 2008 11:42:05 GMT
Hi Bob You've got me bang to rights here. There's not a lot more I can say other than why does everybody with only 1 puter to connect not have their router by the BT socket? I'm still not 100% convinced but it's there in black and white staring me in the face Smudger..I only have one 'puter and MY router is not in the same room as the BT master socket which is in the hallway.The reason!.... 'Cos there isn't a convenient mains power socket nearby to plug the router into! |
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Post by petersmyth1 on Jun 12, 2008 13:53:09 GMT
Smudger..I only have one 'puter and MY router is not in the same room as the BT master socket which is in the hallway.The reason!.... 'Cos there isn't a convenient mains power socket nearby to plug the router into! Ratarse That's my point.  Most peeps with only 1 pc usually have their router beside their PC and not beside the main BT socket which by and large is usually in the hall. |
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Post by pierre on Jun 12, 2008 14:07:26 GMT
Peter, A cette moment,my router is at the PC.But,as I see it (taking Mistress Anne into account),it might be better placed by the bt box.Then the signal goes to the router,then into the walls,then up the stairs to any room I choose to situate the PC. Conversely both situations might work !!! I'll not be carrying out this experiment for a wee while yet as I have recently bought a new PC.As it is Vista I will have to learn new things.The first task is to create a recovery disc.Then I have to transfer a lot of my stuff from one PC to the new one using a "transfer to vista cable" that I managed to get on Ebay--£5.98 delivered!!!This cable is being sold in PC World @£25.However you can only use it once as it is only for XP to Vista. Bob.I probably will get the Ethernet Bridge thingy from Argos.If it doesn't do the trick I can easily take it back and get my money back.With Argos I've found it is no hassle Thanks again,All  |
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Post by liverbird on Jun 12, 2008 19:35:18 GMT
>>>Remember the electic circuit is replacing your cable as a means of transporting the signal so why change your present set upPeter, the long cable that Pierre currently has going upstairs to the landing ( with his router attached at the other end of it ) is the internet lead, the one coming from the BT box, not a long ethernet cable. If this had been an ethernet cable then he has had no reason to have the router placed upstairs too. He would have just had the long ethernet cable coming from router sited near to the BT box up the stairs to his landing where the pc is. **(I have one of my other pc's set up like this, has no netwrok card so we just purchased a 10 ft ethernet and managed to hide the cable pretty well too) As the long cable in his setup is the lead from BT box to router, he has the router upstairs and yellow ethernet cable will be about a metre in length, if that. For Pierre to be able to do away with this long cable, which is the reason for him getting the adapters, he will need to put the router downstairs.
Not necessarily right by the BT box but within reach without cables every where ..... remember, Mrs Pierre wants no cables all over the place if it can be helped.Like he said, his yellow cable, which is the ethernet cable, will now plug into the first adapter , instead of his pc. So thats router downstairs, still has BT box cable, but can be a much shorter one now, yellow ethernet cable will now plug from router into new adapter, also downstairs. Upstairs or anywhere else in the home, plug in second adapter and into this plug the pc. **It is possible that the adapters may come with special leads of its own which go from router to adapter, and adapter to pc, so this should be looked at carefully. Although I do think it is done with regular cat 5/ethernet cables, often blue or yellow in colour. Liverbird 
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Post by liverbird on Jun 12, 2008 19:37:24 GMT
PS Pierre, the shorter lead may make your connection better too, or if it was a extension lead eliminating this will be an added bonus  |
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Post by petersmyth1 on Jun 12, 2008 23:02:08 GMT
>>>Remember the electic circuit is replacing your cable as a means of transporting the signal so why change your present set upPeter, the long cable that Pierre currently has going upstairs to the landing ( with his router attached at the other end of it ) is the internet lead, the one coming from the BT box, not a long ethernet cable. Anne there seems little point in continuing this "argument" because we are coming to the same conclusions but from a different prospective. Do you agree or not that the router must have an ethernet connection with the PC/Laptop. If you agree how the hell can a router on the ground floor realistically have an ethernet connection with a system on the 1st floor. You don't honestly believe the house's electric wiring circuit replaces an ethernet connection, or do you?  |
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Post by pierre on Jun 13, 2008 14:28:43 GMT
Thanks Anne  You have confirmed my thoughts. Got it now loud and clear !!! I reckon the product will come with a short ethernet cable for each plug.If not--and that would surprise me--we are are only talking about a few pence extra. Many many thanks for your interest and help,and everybody else who has contributed. |
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Post by liverbird on Jun 15, 2008 14:03:43 GMT
You don't honestly believe the house's electric wiring circuit replaces an ethernet connection, or do you?Peter, I could well be wrong but this is my understanding of how it works. What happens is the router is plugged into the special adapter, which in turn sends the internet connection through the electrical wiring, so somehwere else in the house you can plug in the second adapter and plug your pc/laptop into this, thus picking up the router again. It's basically as though the internal wiring becomes a big long extension lead off the router ...... so in theory, yes, it kind of replaces a section of ethernet and does away with the need of cables running around the house. Be it phone extension lead or long ethernet lead. In Pierres case he was using a longer phone lead, (and so took the router upstairs closer to his pc) he could have chosen to leave the router down stairs and have a long ethernet ......... but either way now, to eliminate long cables running up the stairs or anywhere else for that matter, he should locate the router in a suitable position nearby the BT box but in a way that suits him and is tidy enough for Mrs. Pierrre (no wires running all over) Pierre will need to have an electrical outlet close enough too so all that needs to be considered when he sets this little section up. After that, the rest is simple ..... choose any plug socket, plug in second adapter and you are basically plugging into the router These adapters do have either a special lead (bridge) or switch which makes the type of wiring sort of match up. There are also USB type "powerline" network adapters. Some of the reviews here mention how simple they are to set up and how they set it up, confirms for me that what I understood is correct : reviews.pricegrabber.com/network-bridges/m/3258448/
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Post by Ratae on Jun 15, 2008 14:14:38 GMT
You don't honestly believe the house's electric wiring circuit replaces an ethernet connection, or do you?/ In other words Smudger (Anne is far toooooo polite to say it) ;D  |
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Post by nob on Jun 16, 2008 6:08:49 GMT
to be the cheapest option Pierre, go wireless.
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Post by petersmyth1 on Jun 16, 2008 10:01:13 GMT
to be the cheapest option Pierre, go wireless. nob in a previous message in this thread Pierre explains why he doesn't want to do wireless so you better check back.  |
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Post by nob on Jun 16, 2008 13:39:23 GMT
seen it Peter but for cheapness, thats the way i would go. He also said the PC in different rooms.
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Post by Ratae on Jun 16, 2008 13:44:27 GMT
to be the cheapest option Pierre, go wireless. nob in a previous message in this thread Pierre explains why he doesn't want to do wireless so you better check back. Smudger...you are quite right Pierre gave the following explanation! " The reason I am dilatory about using pure wireless is that I am in a Semi-D house.A friend of mine in the same circumstances picks up all sorts of stuff with his wireless connection." Now this is the bit that rather puzzled me 'cos I also live in a semi and if I click on 'View available wireless networks,' I can see at least three others apart from my own.But......they all read 'Security enabled' and have a 'lock' icon as does my own! I don't understand WHY Pierre doesn't use wireless and enable the WEP or even better the WPA-PSK security that comes with modem/routers! I am far from an expert on this but it seems to be the easiest and cheapest option for what Pierre wants to achieve!  |
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Most peeps with only 1 pc usually have their router beside their PC and not beside the main BT socket which by and large is usually in the hall.
